Career Warrior Podcast #277 Resume Gaps, No Experience, and Other Complicated Scenarios | Andrea Gerson

Episode Transcript

Chris Villanueva 0:04
Welcome to the Let’s Eat, Grandma Career Warrior Podcast. And welcome to the Let’s Eat, Grandma Career Warrior Podcast where our goal is not only to help you land your dream job, but to help you live your best life. Today, we’re going to discuss some of the biggest burning questions when it comes to writing your resume. Listen, I understand that things are not so straightforward in life, for example, you may have no experience within a given field. And then an entry level position calls your name but with a prerequisite of having three to five years of experience. Or maybe you’re applying for positions that do require a lot of experience but you feel like you’re dealing with ageism. Oh, the irony, and today we’re going to unpack some of those burning questions with a really amazing guest who knows her stuff. Her name is Andrea Gerson, founder of resume scripter. Andrea has 15 years of experience working with professionals at all stages of their careers to find clarity, competence, and a renewed sense of energy around their work. As a top ranked career expert who has been featured in Forbes Business Insider, the Chicago Tribune and recruiter.com. Andrea empowers jobseekers to leverage their strengths to reach their professional potential. Andrea graduated from Columbia University with a bachelor’s degree in psychology. She then went on to earn her master’s in social work at NYU while working full time as a career counselor in the NYC nonprofit sector. It was during this time that she founded resume scripter and since then, she has created impactful resumes for nearly 7500 professionals. Many of our clients have secured competitive roles at top organizations such as Microsoft, Google, Facebook, and United Nations. So let’s geek out over resumes. I know that this will be a fun and informative conversation. I love diving into some of these questions. So have fun. And I know those of you listening to this episode will get something really good from the content. Let’s launch right into Episode 277, of career warrior podcast. Andrea, welcome to the show.

Andrea Gerson
Thanks so much for having me. I am so excited to have you on and especially when we have other professionals who have you know delved into the art and science of resume writing, it’s not easy, especially, you know, getting kicked off and learning all of our principles and try to teach people the right things. But I want to know from you, how did you specifically get into resume writing? And perhaps you can share some fun stories of some clients you’ve worked with as well?

Andrea Gerson 2:41
Sure, absolutely. So I had over 50 jobs. By the time I was 30. I was an ice cream truck driver, I was a pottery painter, I was a bartender, I opened my own cafe. So in my late 20s, I decided to go back to school to study psychology because I thought I wanted to become a therapist. And while I was in school at Columbia, I started working at a nonprofit on campus as a job counselor. So there was a pretty extensive GED and ESL program on campus. And, you know, I spent three years working with community residents on you know, the resumes, cover letters, interview prep, and, you know, I worked with like several 100 people, and I loved it, I really felt like I had found, you know, way to use writing skills, I’ve always loved writing, but also that helping piece, you know, wanting to help people like put their best selves forward and learn how to, like, identify their talents, and you know, overcome hurdles. So I still went through at NYU to become, you know, I went through social work degree, but by the time I graduated, resume writing had just become my full time job through word of mouth, you know, people sending their friends to me and stuff. So yeah, that’s pretty much how it came about. Isn’t that funny how that happens. Just resume writing just became your full time job. And it’s like, I made the joke earlier with like another friend of mine, I was like, I never, you know, wasn’t in college thinking that, you know, I’m going to be taking all these classes with the hope and dream that I’ll be a full time, you know, resume writer and start my own company. It’s like, not what I thought that I would end up doing. But it’s just that feeling of knowing that, you know, we’re helping people in such a deep way because there’s so much confusion out there with resumes and like, what do I possibly do to stand out and get noticed people are wondering, and finally, when clients or people we’ve helped get the resume back that is transformed and it makes a difference. It’s like, boy, is that incredible feeling. And so I totally understand it. And it’s interesting, you know, you mentioned like, you know, I don’t think either of us thought when we were kids, oh, I’m gonna be a resume writer, but I think some of the most interesting fulfilling careers, you know, they evolved, you know, you might have a direction in mind that you think you want. But really, I think each career is like, it’s a process. You know, you go through you try something over time over your life, you learn what you enjoy and what you’re good at. And, you know, sometimes you have to make your own path.

Chris Villanueva 5:19
Absolutely. I agree. And so are there any stories that come to mind, or that may stick out to you about folks who really needed the resume help, and you felt like, just implementing some techniques, or just some changes to the resume really made a difference? Oh, I feel like that describes, like, everybody that I work with, you know, one person that kind of stands out is I worked with somebody who was a professional poker player, and he wanted to get into the realm of finance. And you know, I love situations like that, where, you know, you’re helping someone to really bring out what’s transferable. And you’re trying to make experience that was maybe like, not very conventional, you know, trying to formalize it, trying to put kind of borders and boundaries around it and give words to, you know, what they were doing that would that will resonate. So yeah, scenarios like that. I love helping people who have maybe bounced around, or people who’ve had like multiple concurrent jobs, you know, try to like, bring a professional narrative through their experience, so that it makes sense to someone on the outside. Absolutely. That makes sense. It’s like, I always think about, like, I love this job, I plan on sticking with it for as long as I possibly can, being the founder and CEO of a resume service. But if I had to transition, I was like, oh, all of a sudden, I’m like, I want to be a software developer, I want to be a whatever position. It’s like, I know, I would need to go see a resume writer about how do I make my resume the last eight years of experience running this resume company? How do I make that translate to whatever I’m going into the future. So even me who have written tons of resumes, I would see somebody else about my own resume, because I think it’s so important to have a second opinion and a second perspective, because we get tunnel vision. I think when we’re staring at our own resumes, isn’t that right? Yep. It’s hard. It’s hard when you’re in it. And it’s you to know what to showcase. And like, you know, we’re kind of like, blind about our own strengths.

Andrea Gerson 7:27
So when you if you get to that point where you want to go into software development, you know who to call?

Chris Villanueva 7:34
Gollum. You. Yeah, that’s awesome. So let’s talk about those complicated resume scenarios. In just one second, I think that’s going to help our listeners out. Before we dive into those specific scenarios. I wanted to give listeners just some good practices or just some general advice that people should follow in regards to their resume. So I’ll ask the first question framing and the positive. So what do some of the best resumes out there do? What should my resume convey?

Andrea Gerson 8:06
So especially for people who are trying to like smooth over a rocky work history, one thing that all great resumes do, in my opinion, what I tried to make all my resumes do is to follow an upside down pyramid format. So if you picture, you know, an upside down pyramid, the base of it is bigger, right? And the further the lower down, you get, it gets smaller and smaller. So a really great resume, you want your most recent experience at the top to be the highlight, you want that to be the focus, because really, that top third of the Resume page is what people are going to be reading, you know, before they decide if they’re going to keep on reading. So you want that to be the most impressive. So even if your most recent job was not your most impressive, that’s your task when you’re reworking your resume is to give that section a couple extra bullets try to pull in more numbers about the scope you were involved in, you know, numbers about the company itself and things to make it impressive. So that’s one tactic, I would say is like trying to keep that upside down pyramid and,

Chris Villanueva 9:15
and I love that because I’ve seen so many resumes that have they’re like, Oh, I haven’t touched my resume in a long time. And I just scrapped together my last position at the top, but it’s not impressive. What’s impressive is their old experience, but it’s not what’s relevant. And so you’re saying, hey, let’s put some more focus in beefing up making relevant, just that more recent experience. I love that reverse pyramid.

Andrea Gerson 9:38
Yeah, instead of trying to like sweep your recent experience under the rug, expand on it, try to make it look as amazing as possible. And then you can reference your older experience in the summary section. So that’s how you can bring that older experience to the top, you know, to still make it you know, in that top third of the page, awesome.

Chris Villanueva 10:00
Great. Anything else there? That’s one main thing I would say. Yeah. Okay. So let’s go negative. These are always the fun questions here. But what is the biggest mistake you think that job seekers are making when it comes to writing their resume, not hiring us. People list tasks, almost all the resumes that I see, you know, before resumes of clients that I’m the resumes that I’m working, there are a list of the tasks that people did, instead of, you know, descriptive highlights the improvements that they were involved in. So people are just missing opportunities, every bullet is an opportunity to showcase an accomplishment and an improvement and something that’s action driven, rather than just the tasks that they did.

Okay, that makes sense. It’s reminded of a TikTok video, I saw the other day, which there’s hit or miss TikTok video, just pieces of advice out there, just disclaimer for people. But there was one that I saw that was great. It was like things not to do on your resume. And it was like, go in, find the job posting and copy and paste all the requirements from the job posting to your resume. Because not only is that just really cheap, but it does exactly what you’re talking about, which is it only shows tasks and responsibilities. It doesn’t give any actual substance. So perhaps Yes, you can show relevance, like, Oh, I’m doing the things now that you’re asking me to do, if you really did them, but it misses some of the substance that you’re talking about. And in the accomplishment, like you just mentioned right now. So the three words that I use, you know, when I’m pulling, trying to get the meat out of people’s resumes, the questions that I asked, usually focus on context, scope, and outcome. So when I’m thinking about what types of details to tease out of a task, I want to know, like, why was this important? I want to know, like, what was the context? What was the setting that the task took place in? You know, and what was the impact? You know, how many clients or customers or staff did this task? Perfect? You know, questions like that, that’s how you can get the meat out of it. Yeah, absolutely. Do you ever have people who may give you a hard time about that and be like, listen, I was this position where I did something where I had, I have no metrics to give you what do you tell those people that may give you a hard time about things? You know, it’s funny, when I am reworking someone’s resume, I send them a custom questionnaire. Okay, so I’m looking at the posting that they’re targeting, I’m looking at their old experience, and I’m reading probably like, at least a couple of questions about every single old bullet with the lens in mind of like, here’s where they’re what their goal is. So as so many questions, nobody can answer all of them. And that’s fine. Really, what I want is just some meaty tidbits to weave in. So what I usually tell them is like any information that you give me, is going to strengthen this, you know, any details that you can dig up. And maybe that means going to the company website, reading the about them section, you know, chatting with a past colleague or supervisor to like jog your memory, because it’s it really is critical.

I love that you seem like a very collaborative resume writer to work with who I would love to work with. So you’re really selling me here. I appreciate that. All right. So let’s delve into some of those complicated scenarios here. I think one that often comes to mind, especially for those who maybe recent graduates, or perhaps are career changers out there are, what if the entry level job posting that I’m applying for calls for three to five years of experience, but it’s clearly entry level. And I haven’t done the job yet. So how can I do the job that’s asking for experience? And when I have no experience? That’s a common question, I would love to hear your take.

Andrea Gerson 13:54
So one thing to keep in mind is that when employers are writing a job posting, I’m sure you can speak to this because you’ve hired for your company. I’ve done a little hiring for mine. We’re reading a wish list. You know, it’s sort of like when people are dating, and they’re thinking of like, what is the criteria that I want? I’m like my dream person, you know, no one is going to match that no one’s going to meet it. But what for a job posting, what we really want to showcase is what are the strengths that you do bring, what is the knowledge that you do have, so even if it wasn’t formal, five years of formal paid work experience, we can still showcase the knowledge that you have the skills that you have, if you did volunteer work or academic projects, expand on those to show those transferable things that the posting will require, and bring in awards, bring in, you know, bulk up your computer skills section. There’s a website that I love called class central.com, which is basically like the Google of online learning. So you could go there and do a quiz certification in a tool or a skill that you may not know. But that shows that you took initiative and that you’re working towards it. So even if you don’t have the like three years minimum of like paid experience, you can still say on your resume that you have experience, because you bring that knowledge and that combination of things.

Chris Villanueva 15:21
I love that. So let’s say that the job posting is staring me in the face. And it does say three to five years of experience. Like I oftentimes feel like people do have that dilemma, whether it’s, do I have enough competence to apply for this job? It’s like that hesitation people get so do you have any, I guess tips for people who are unsure whether or not yes or no, I should apply for the job.

Andrea Gerson 15:44
It’s so scary, because we all imagined that that company, you know, you would walk in the door and that everyone there knows what’s going on, and everyone there is competent, you know, but really, like you are competent to, like each person has like learned, you know, you’re able to learn you’ve developed skills you’ve like had other accomplishments that were not with that employer that you’re, you know, fantasizing about. So the goal is really, you know, you’ve got to convince yourself first, I guess, and then you’ve got to feel confident, selling yourself on paper. And I think that’s why working with someone can be so helpful. Because that way, you’re not holding yourself back, you know, believing that, that you’re that you’re able to do it, you know, every job, there’s always an onboarding process where you’re going to learn, not just the tools that they use, but how they and you know, not just what they’re doing, but like the processes, and every company, and organization has their own way of doing it. I would say just trust that you’re able to like learn and grow and evolve.

Chris Villanueva 16:50
It seems like you’re on the side of if you’re hesitant then yes, err on the side of applying anyway.

Andrea Gerson 16:56
Yes. Oh, yeah. It’s funny, I led a workshop a few months ago at the National Career Development Association that was about how to help people from like, underserved backgrounds to take steps. And so I was sharing a lot of these tactics about expanding on volunteer work and whatnot. And this one woman got very upset. And she was like, you know, you’ve got to put volunteer work in the volunteer work section. Otherwise, you’re misrepresenting? And that’s illegal. Yeah, it’s like illegal. Resume is a marketing document. I like to think about it, like, if you’re hiring, like an accountant or a CPA, right, you know, there are some of those people who are going to be like, we’re doing this by the book, we’re going to be as conservative as possible. We don’t want to trigger any risks, you know, we’re just going to like, do we’re not gonna take risks? Yeah, I mean, you have to follow GAAP, you know, all those a lot. But like, it’s a little bit different from the resume. Right, right. But like, but even within that gap, within those tax regulations, there are going to be tax professionals who are like, you know, here are the way that we can use the guidelines in your favor and push things a little bit, you know, to your advantage, so that you can get more money back and pay less taxes. So I’m using this as an example. Because I think, in our realm, too, you know, resume writing, you mentioned, it’s an art not a science, it’s a bit of a maximum. And so we can kind of choose, how far are we going to push it to just sell your strengths? percent, right? We can. So so it’s a decision that, you know, we make with our clients, you know, we I could position somebody super entry level straight out of college for a pretty high level job by using all these tips and tricks, tips and strategies. But, you know, we may not want you because we don’t want that person to get in over their head. So it’s just that question.

Chris Villanueva 18:49
I love that I feel like we’re delving so much deeper into like, the tips and tricks and strategies, these are actual considerations for people to apply. And I think I think we’ve given a lot here. So move on to complicated resume scenario number two, which is a resume gap. So I know, there are all sorts of different kinds of resume gaps out there. But Andrea, tell me what is a resume gap?

Andrea Gerson 19:12
You know, it could be something as simple as, you know, two or three months spent between jobs applying for jobs, to you know, several years taken off for caregiving, or for personal issues. So I think with each gap, there’s like, they’re like a few considerations. There’s like, what is the reason for the gap? And is that something that we want to reference on the resume or in the cover letter? And then there’s sort of like, how can we fill that gap on paper? Or can we so maybe, you know, what I see sometimes is, somebody else, stepped away from formal work, but during that time, they may be we’re doing side projects or their own small business. So the first question for me is always like, can we expand on that and professionalize it and Make It Shine, or at least make it stand up with the rest of their work history. And sometimes we might put that on a second page of the resume so that it’s not the focus if it wasn’t as relevant. Another little trick that I like to use is like, let’s say that the that the gap was a few years ago, maybe it was like five or six years ago, when I’ll sometimes do is expand on their more recent experience. So have more bullets on the first page than I might normally, and then have the gap fall between the first page on the second page. So that way, we might have like, additional experience or things on the second page, and the employer won’t really notice the gap as much, if you can place it, have it fall between the two pages.

Chris Villanueva 20:41
Yeah, I love that. And sometimes we freak out about our gaps. And you know, the person looking at your resume, they may not even notice the gap. I remember doing like a talk a long time ago, this is this example always sticks out to me. I showed three recruiters resumes, they all had gaps, but I was like, can you tell me like something about these resumes and like, they actually didn’t call out the gap. They talked about other parts of the resume, but they didn’t necessarily notice the gap. So oftentimes, we’re in our heads, and we’re kind of like selling yourselves too short before we even send out a resume.

Andrea Gerson 21:16
At this point, I feel like most people have had some sort of gap, especially after the pandemic, it’s so common, I agree with you that not a really valid source of stress, I would say don’t be too concerned.

Chris Villanueva 21:29
So you talked about a really good trick there, which is like you can push things over to the second page and perhaps not de emphasize, you know, for lack of a better word, that gap there. On a similar note, what would you recommend for those folks? It’s almost like the same question in a way, but like folks who are returning back to an old industry, or an old job that they used to have. And so example is a client of mine, who she was a senior level accountant 15, 20 years ago, then became a stay at home mom, what’s your take on returning back to what they were previously doing?

Andrea Gerson 22:05
So get anything current onto the resume, even if that means that they have to take a job in their field that might not be that senior level, or a temporary job, or a course that they can complete to refresh their skills, anything that will bring that word present onto their resume. That’s the biggest hurdle.

Chris Villanueva 22:29
So we’re doing the reverse pyramid thing, right? We’re trying to get that stuff stack back on there.

Andrea Gerson 22:34
And you know, sometimes it’s an education and training section, that’s going to do it, that’s going to be this, you know, get back in and then we do something current, I also sometimes will include parenting and caregiving on the resume as a role, especially if the gap was substantial, expand on it, and professionalize it, especially if the person is in, you know, education, or nonprofit or government, there can be ways to show the transferrable elements of that work a little more directly. So yeah, I would say, a combination of those tactics,

Chris Villanueva 23:12
perfect. Love. It’s been so insightful so far. So I’ll move on over to another complicated resume scenario. And this is a big one, we talked about our folks with little experience. But I’m going to flip this one on her head and talk about folks with a lot of experience. I remember when I started writing resumes that I thought it was a great thing to say, you know, I have 25, 35 plus years of experience, and just call that out on the resume. And I would do it often for clients in the beginning. And then I quickly realized that some of these folks were dealing with ages and perhaps or folks feeling like my clients were overqualified. And so I had to make a sort of switch. But I want to hear your take in general about having too much experience or ageism, like what types of scenarios have you seen when it comes to this over qualification and ageism? And how do we deal with them?

Andrea Gerson 24:07
It’s funny that you mentioned the, you know, 25 to 35 years of experience that people want to start out with, I encounter this with almost all of this senior level folks that I work with, because I will cap it in their summary section at 15 or 20 years. I won’t go beyond 20 years. And people without, you know, almost without exception, they will say, but I have 25 years away, I have 30 years and they do say that. I have to tell them unfortunately, there’s ageism, so it sucks. It’s awful. You know, nobody likes that. But, you know from the resume perspective, again, we’re a resume is a marketing document. So we want to like communicate things in a way that’s going to resonate. So that means a really modern clean format. That means trimming stuff down quite a bit I find often more senior level folks that I work with tend to want to like explain everything and write paragraphs. And it can be really daunting because the resume, you know, people aren’t going to spend an hour reading your resume, you know, they’re gonna skim it. So we want like bite sized snippets, and often older, more specialized people, they’re in the weeds. So it’s a little harder for them to take a step back and know how to like, clearly, concisely articulate, you know, what they have accomplished. When there’s so much there’s so much that they’ve done. So I think it’s a lot of it is about prioritizing, you know, kind of deciding what is transferable. A lot of the times industries have changed a lot, especially the last like 10, 20 years. Like, I don’t think there’s been another time in history where like, the world of work has changed so dramatically in such a short time. So making sure that we’re highlighting really like current relevant aspects of their work. It’s always interesting.

Chris Villanueva 26:07
It is, it really is. So if I have a three page resume, or call 3.5 pages getting specific, and I have, you know, eight or nine companies that I’ve worked for, where’s usually the first place that you start in terms of getting my resume more cut down?

Andrea Gerson 26:24
Good question. So I never go over a two pager, I think that’s a just general rule of thumb, unless it’s somebody who has a list of publications or projects almost like a CV. So I would sort of do there are times when I would do a hybrid CV resume kind of situation where the first few pages is a traditional resume. And then the last page is supplemental, and a list presentations, publications, etc. But it’s not necessarily the core thing that gets me hired. It sounds like you’re saying, Yep, and I will usually cap the resume at 15 or 20 years max, depending on, you know, each person has their own unique like, trajectory, and up and down, you know, things you want to shine a spotlight on. So, there have been times where I would include, you know, at this point, maybe I would include a job that happened, that was in 1999, or the year 2000. If it was really well known company, or really related to their field, like it would be impressive. So again, it’s sort of like each person, I don’t like to say never, I would say the two page Max is a never, you know, I would never have a three page traditional resume. But beyond that, you know, I might go 20 or 25 years back, if it was an exceptional situation.

Chris Villanueva 27:48
That makes sense. I think this is something people struggle with, especially those who come to us with a lot of experience. So I really like your take on that. I think it makes sense to me. And it’s not easy. I think almost sometimes it’s harder to cut down a lot of experience rather than to beef up someone who may not have as much experience or to find relevance, so to speak. So it’s it’s a different way of tackling a life issue. So I feel like we are on a roll here, you’ve been a fantastic guest so far. But before I move on to the conclusion of this episode, I wanted to hear if you have any other final words of advice, or perhaps any other resume scenarios that I might be missing.

Andrea Gerson 28:29
Oh, I have a quick tip that’s coming to mind. I know when people are working on their resumes, often that quick text can really be helpful. I like to picture a backward seven when I’m looking at the resume, because that’s the part of the resume that hires are going to notice on their first class. You know, we’ve all heard that like, people spend six seconds on a resume, that’s not true. They spent a microsecond looking at a backward seven on the page, before they decide if they’re going to keep reading that six second.

Chris Villanueva 29:02
The backward seven. Can you elaborate on that? For those who may have missed it?

Andrea Gerson 29:06
Yeah, sure. So if you picture the top third of the page and the left third of the page, that’s where, you know, pretend like hires scan that top third scan that left there, that’s where the eyes naturally gonna go, before they even decide if they’re gonna keep reading.

Chris Villanueva 29:24
Thank you for saying that. It’s a thought that I’ve referenced a couple of times, like throughout episodes, but no guest or me and no one’s ever like articulated. It’s so well, I think that makes so much sense because of the way that we read things especially quickly. Ah, I love that.

Andrea Gerson 29:39
Thanks. I kind of realized early on that that’s what I was doing is I was putting the meat you know, that’s why that summary section is so critical. You’ve got to have a really solid summary section that ties in company names sectors numbers, impressive. That’s your selling point. And then the left third, that’s where I like to bring really strong active verbs. So ditching words like assisted help supported, taking credit, you know, saying even if you were on a team, you could say, participated in or collaborated with senior staff to blabbity, blah, elevate it, and also try to get numbers into that left third of the page. Numbers are super compelling. And, you know, in a sea of words, numbers are what are going to like, attract and sustain that attention.

Chris Villanueva 30:31
I love that. Thank you. So I’ll ask my famous tattoo question just one second. But first, I know you have some news, I was just looking at your LinkedIn profile, and you have an update a portal to share. So what are you up to these days? What have you been up to, I should say, and so busy working on?

Andrea Gerson 30:48
Yeah. So yes, I’ve been, you know, mainly a professional resume writer for a long time, 15 years working with individuals. And, you know, years ago, I started training the staff of workforce development organizations. So you know, these are job counselors that help people with like barriers to employment. So I started to make this tool to help them to create resumes and cover letters for their folks. So this was a tool that captured like eight common industries, that really was helping them to quickly do the things that you and I do for our clients. So helping them to expand on and quantify and structure a resume to make it really compelling. Fast forward three years, and I have a version of this platform that’s about to be launched, where individual job seeker, so it covers almost 50 industries, has hundreds of job titles, it takes jobseekers through a completely personalized low of Western based on each job that they’ve had. So it’ll ask questions to bring out a lot of the things we talked about, you know, the scope and the context that they worked in, bring out some of the outcomes of the work that they did. And there’s a searchable bullet bank. So basically, people can create resumes that are not quite as solid as if they worked with you, right. But you know, pretty good resumes and cover letters in like, 10, 15 minutes.

Chris Villanueva 32:08
That’s fantastic. And so it sounds like it’s a little bit more DIY. So they put in their information like that’s the input, and then you’re able to come up with something through like good resume principles that they otherwise would not have been able to come up with. That’s the idea. I love that. What are you calling this program? Sorry, if I missed that earlier, do you have a name for it?

Andrea Gerson 32:28
So the tool is called RS works.

Chris Villanueva 32:31
RS works. Okay. I love that.

Andrea Gerson 32:33
Yeah. I’m really excited about it.

Chris Villanueva 32:36
That’s awesome. So RSWorks. And so if I was looking to get my resume written by you, how would I go ahead and do that?

Well, my website is resumescripter.com. And I know we talked about, you know that there will be like a URL for people in the show notes, to check out the portal to if they want to kind of see that in action. So sort of like people who maybe have more complicated scenarios or want a more RS approach. And you know, people who want to work with me one on one, I still do that, I still offer that. And then I also have this platform that people can use if they want to work on it, you know, on their own kind of a more accessible resource, I guess. Perfect. I love that. And yeah, listeners, you know how I do, I always include those URLs in the show notes. So whenever you’re not jogging or driving could check that out. I’ll include the links as well, whether you’re on Spotify, Apple or listening through our website page. And I love what you’re doing. I think we talked about this months ago, Andrea, but like, I’ve only dreamt I never took any sort of action because this is what you have tasked yourself to do. But put out this amazing program that makes things more accessible for people who may not be ready for resume service, folks who may not be able to afford a resume service, or folks who just want to quickly get the resume DIY done more quickly. So I think it’s amazing what you’ve done and wheels are already turning. I’m thinking like, how can we stay connected and possibly partner up? But I think that’s really cool. Kudos to you. I’m sure it took a lot of hard work.

Andrea Gerson 34:08
Yeah, I really appreciate that. I’ve learned a lot. You know, you mentioned that you maybe want to go into software development and your

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